[GLIMS] Black Lives Matter (clarification) (fwd)

[Bruce RAUP]

Forwarding as requested.  (And I meant "ethnic", not "ethic", in my last 
note.)  --Bruce

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 01:21:02
From: Nicolas Champollion <nchampollion at gmail.com>
To: jeffreyskargel at hotmail.com, braup at nsidc.org
Subject: Re: [GLIMS] Black Lives Matter (clarification)

Dear Jeff, dear Bruce,

I wanted to send the following message but I received an undelivered return 
message when I send it to GLIMS mailing list ... Can you send it for me please 
? Thanks a lot.
Best regards, Nicolas Champollion

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First of all, I share your concerns and your goal to increase diversity and 
inclusion in glaciology in general, in US of course but likewise 
internationally. I would even go further to improve diversity in all thematics 
in science, and not only to race but parity, disability, ... and all 
discrimination I forget.

In addition, here is a working from Polar Early Career Scientist working on 
this important issue 
https://www.apecs.is/career-resources/diversity-equity-inclusion.html as well 
as a statement from APECS (Association of Polar Early Career Scientists) about 
the current racism 
https://www.apecs.is/news/apecs-news/4098-apecs-statement-against-discrimination-and-racism.html 
and from US APECS 
https://www.apecs.is/news/apecs-news/4101-usapecs-response-to-current-events.html

All the best
Nicolas Champollion
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On 12/06/2020 03:10, Bruce RAUP wrote:
> Hello -- me again.
> 
> I want to add two things:
> 
> 1.  My note was prompted by Jeff's message, but my thoughts expanded from
>     that initial prompt.  I was not saying he said anything that wasn't
>     careful or spot-on.
> 
> 2.  I just saw today's news from around the world, showing video of many
>     similar struggles and protests and statue-tear-downs in various
>     countries that I wasn't aware of.  So, our "American cause", as I put
>     it, is indeed a global cause of undoing past and continuing wrongs that
>     are the legacy of racism, colonialism, and heartless greed.
> 
> For the record, GLIMS strongly encourages participation and contributions
> from anyone, without regard to ethic, geographic, or genetic origins,
> culture, or any of the myriad ways we tend to categorize people. And as
> Jeff so nicely points out, striving toward better diversity and
> representation is something our community should be working toward.
> 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 2020-06-11, 14:29:  Bruce RAUP wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I share your concerns, Jeff.  I am moved by the protests happening around
>> the world in response to deplorable events (and crimes) in the US.  One
>> might think that this is mainly a problem in the US, but the context of the
>> current problems in the US is a lasting legacy of colonialism and racism
>> world-wide.  Internationally, we do have many colleagues not descended from
>> Western Europeans, but you're right that glaciology in the US especially is
>> not proportionally representative of the general population.
>> 
>> One of the most fundamental things we need to do in the US is to push for
>> primary and secondary education to be funded by the national government.
>> Education now varies tremendously by postal code.
>> 
>> Even though the world has rallied to our American cause, I think we need to
>> be careful in how we talk about this in the international context.  I heard
>> someone on the radio say "countries of color", which struck me as odd,
>> US-centric, and paternalistic.  Not that you said anything like that,
>> Jeff....
>> 
>> Stay tuned here for near-future announcements related to GLIMS and the
>> Randolph Glacier Inventory.  :-)
>> 
>> Best regards to all (regardless of what you look like, whom you love, or
>> whether you butter your bread on the top or bottom),
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 2020-06-11, 12:45:  Jeffrey Kargel wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear GLIMS colleagues:
>>> With the dramatic increase in awareness about race issues in the U.S. and 
>> really around the world in the past couple weeks, it has me thinking a lot 
>> about our field's racial
>>> composition, at least that in the U.S. It's very clear that our field is 
>> nowhere near being racially representative of the racial diversity in the 
>> U.S. and around the world.
>>> There may be many reasons for that, some out of our control or influence. 
>> In my opinion, a lot is in our ability to influence. It would no doubt be a 
>> long-term effort to
>>> improve diversity in our field to where it should be. But are there steps 
>> we can do now? If that's a rhetorical question with an obvious answer, then 
>> I'd be interested to see
>>> that some steps are taken. It's not my purpose to elicit your responses, 
>> but I do seek more people's quiet introspection and then your personal 
>> responses in actions to be
>>> taken going forward. I know one thing I will do, personally. I will seek 
>> out one elementary school and one secondary school and a science teacher in 
>> each and just have a
>>> discussion. Just start there and see where it goes. What can you do? Maybe 
>> some can do more than others, and many can do more than I. You don't need to 
>> answer me. Just answer
>>> the question yourself.
>>> That's my opinion and one of my anguishes in life.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Jeff Kargel
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>

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