[GLIMS] [CRYOLIST] Nature article on Landsat

[Florence Fetterer]

The return on taxpayer investment is actually much higher if you don’t charge.

> On Jun 13, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Frank <digbycarsey at comcast.net> wrote:
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> When you charge for data it is still collected, processed and archived, all with costs, but there is far use and hence far less benefit: that money is wasted and the opportunity to learn lost. 
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> From: Benjamin Holt (329B)
> To: Theodore A Scambos, Jeffrey Kargel
> Cc: tnewman at usgs.gov <mailto:tnewman at usgs.gov>, cryolist at cryolist.org <mailto:cryolist at cryolist.org>, GLIMS Mailing List, John Dwyer
> Sent: June 13, 2018 at 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [CRYOLIST] Nature article on Landsat
> I am a long term user of SAR imagery for sea ice and ocean studies.  Often SAR data sets have been restricted for use for research by the need to
> purchase imagery or via data proposals.  Both situations end with up limited data usage. This is compared with open access SAR imagery where oceanic- and
> continental- scale research becomes possible.
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> I have become a big fan of Landsat8 data and have published both sea ice and coastal oceans papers using the data, including for brightness temperature
> and chlorophyll-a derivations. I would never had touched this data if I had to pay for it.
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> Considering paying for Landsat8 now after is very shortsighted. I suggest that a study also consider the number of scientific papers and usages as well as the impact
> to the economy (I heard in a side conversation that this very significant) since Landsat data became freely available.  My guess is that the economic impact would far outweigh any fees.
>  
> Yes best line:
> - don't charge for Landsat data! Doing so won't make money; it will just kill Landsat.
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> Ben
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> Benjamin Holt
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> From: CRYOLIST <cryolist-bounces at lists.cryolist.org <mailto:cryolist-bounces at lists.cryolist.org>> on behalf of scambos <teds at nsidc.org <mailto:teds at nsidc.org>>
> Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 5:28 PM
> To: Jeffrey Kargel <jeffreyskargel at hotmail.com <mailto:jeffreyskargel at hotmail.com>>
> Cc: "tnewman at usgs.gov <mailto:tnewman at usgs.gov>" <tnewman at usgs.gov <mailto:tnewman at usgs.gov>>, "cryolist at cryolist.org <mailto:cryolist at cryolist.org>" <cryolist at cryolist.org <mailto:cryolist at cryolist.org>>, GLIMS Mailing List <glims at nsidc.org <mailto:glims at nsidc.org>>, "Dwyer, John" <dwyer at usgs.gov <mailto:dwyer at usgs.gov>>
> Subject: Re: [CRYOLIST] Nature article on Landsat
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> This is the best line.   Thanks, Jeff. 
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> -Ted 
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> On Jun 13, 2018, at 5:34 PM, Jeffrey Kargel <jeffreyskargel at hotmail.com <mailto:jeffreyskargel at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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> don't charge for Landsat data! Doing so won't make money; it will just kill Landsat.
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> Ted Scambos
> Senior Research Scientist
> National Snow and Ice Data Center 
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