<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">The return on taxpayer investment is actually much higher if you don’t charge.</div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 13, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Frank <<a href="mailto:digbycarsey@comcast.net" class="">digbycarsey@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><font face="Helvetica" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">When you charge for data it is still collected, processed and archived, all with costs, but there is far use and hence far less benefit: that money is wasted and the opportunity to learn lost.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Sent from XFINITY Connect App</font><blockquote style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="">------ Original Message ------<br class=""><br class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Benjamin Holt (329B)<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Theodore A Scambos, Jeffrey Kargel<br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:tnewman@usgs.gov" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">tnewman@usgs.gov</a>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cryolist@cryolist.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cryolist@cryolist.org</a>, GLIMS Mailing List, John Dwyer<br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>June 13, 2018 at 6:47 PM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [CRYOLIST] Nature article on Landsat</blockquote><blockquote style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I am a long term user of SAR imagery for sea ice and ocean studies. Often SAR data sets have been restricted for use for research by the need to</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">purchase imagery or via data proposals. Both situations end with up limited data usage. This is compared with open access SAR imagery where oceanic- and</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">continental- scale research becomes possible.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">I have become a big fan of Landsat8 data and have published both sea ice and coastal oceans papers using the data, including for brightness temperature</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">and chlorophyll-a derivations. I would never had touched this data if I had to pay for it.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Considering paying for Landsat8 now after is very shortsighted. I suggest that a study also consider the number of scientific papers and usages as well as the impact</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">to the economy (I heard in a side conversation that this very significant) since Landsat data became freely available. My guess is that the economic impact would far outweigh any fees.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Yes best line:</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">-</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>don't charge for Landsat data! Doing so won't make money; it will just kill Landsat.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Ben</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Benjamin Holt</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Ocean Circulation Group 329B</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">JPL 300-323</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">Pasadena CA 91109</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">O 818-354-5473</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">C 818-653-2831</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><a href="mailto:benjamin.m.holt@jpl.nasa.gov" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">benjamin.m.holt@jpl.nasa.gov</a></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span></p><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">CRYOLIST <<a href="mailto:cryolist-bounces@lists.cryolist.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cryolist-bounces@lists.cryolist.org</a>> on behalf of scambos <<a href="mailto:teds@nsidc.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">teds@nsidc.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 5:28 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jeffrey Kargel <<a href="mailto:jeffreyskargel@hotmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jeffreyskargel@hotmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:tnewman@usgs.gov" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">tnewman@usgs.gov</a>" <<a href="mailto:tnewman@usgs.gov" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">tnewman@usgs.gov</a>>, "<a href="mailto:cryolist@cryolist.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cryolist@cryolist.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cryolist@cryolist.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cryolist@cryolist.org</a>>, GLIMS Mailing List <<a href="mailto:glims@nsidc.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">glims@nsidc.org</a>>, "Dwyer, John" <<a href="mailto:dwyer@usgs.gov" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dwyer@usgs.gov</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [CRYOLIST] Nature article on Landsat</span></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This is the best line. Thanks, Jeff.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">-Ted </div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Jun 13, 2018, at 5:34 PM, Jeffrey Kargel <<a href="mailto:jeffreyskargel@hotmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jeffreyskargel@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">don't charge for Landsat data! Doing so won't make money; it will just kill Landsat.</span></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </p><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Ted Scambos<br class="">Senior Research Scientist</span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">National Snow and Ice Data Center <br class="">CIRES, University of Colorado <br class="">1540 30th St Rm 218<br class="">Boulder CO 80303 USA<br class=""><br class=""><a href="mailto:teds@nsidc.org" style="color: purple; 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