Imja lake image

Tue Oct 19 22:36:35 MDT 2010

Agreed Jeff

Can the article please refer to the college of engineering and the
department of geography combined effort.  You should do the wire, national
papers and also approach the local Tucson press for this.

M

From: Jeffrey Kargel [mailto:jeffreyskargel at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:58 PM
To: Bruce Raup
Cc: Greg Leonard; Patrick Candelaria; Sharad Joshi; Dhurba Basnet; Mark
Patterson-2; Dhananjay Regmi; Roberto Furfaro; Wolfgang Fink; Thomas
Wagner-NASA Manager for GLIMS project; Michael Abrams; GLIMS mailing list;
Arun Shrestha; Pradeep Mool; Basanta Shreshtha-ICIMOD
Subject: FW: Imja lake image

Dear GLIMS and GAPHAZ members and GLIMS sponsor (NASA),

As I'll report shortly to those of you not on the expedition, we had a
successful deployment on Imja Lake (near Mount Everest) of a radio control
boat with sonar on Oct 12-13, first on one of the ponds on the terminal
moraine and then over the west end of the main lake.  We also have great
helicopter-borne hi-def video and rapid-fire 18 Mpixel still imagery, which
will be used for digital terrain generation, which will be used to examine
changes in the future.

I also just reviewed Dhurba Basnet's partially edited series of video,
showing both the cultural and scientific aspects of our expedition.  How
wonderful!

I refer you to a recent ALI (Earth Observatory) press release of Imja Lake,
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=46405&src=eoa-iotd.

Bruce Raup kindly alerted me to it.  I am pleased to see NASA imaging
resources dedicating attention to the Himalaya, and this lake.  I write with
one concern in mind about the press release.

Since this expedition was funded by NASA/GLIMS, and things are moving so
swiftly with documentary production (both Dhurba's and the Discovery-Asia
documentary filmed by Pat Fries) and also with this press release, I am
thinking that we have to develop a press release  or Eos article to show the
how and why of our expedition and the state of this lake.  I want to
emphasize the politically and humanly sensitive nature of any discussion of
glacier lake hazards in general, and the necessity of making sure that any
public statements about hazards are scientifically based.  Imja Tso has been
listed as one of the three most dangerous Nepali lakes by one study;
however, a key finding by our colleagues at ICIMOD is that this lake is much
more stable than had been supposed by some researchers a few years ago, and
any revised listing of "Nepal's Most Dangerous Lakes" would not likely
include this lake or would qualify its inclusion and place low on the list.
It is, however, continuing a rapid evolution initiated in the early 1960's,
and that morphological development warrants close monitoring due to its
basic science interest, due to intense scrutiny and a rich data archive, its
applicability to process inferences to other lakes, and due to its potential
future redevelopment in future decades in ways that may reintroduce
heightened concern.  I would state here categorically that this particular
lake, at this time, does not appear to pose an exceptional hazard.  Like any
large alpine lake in areas of high relief, some combination of natural
catastrophes, such as a large earthquake and mass movements, could of course
change the situation abruptly, but this is just a "normal" part of existing
anywhere in a highly active plate tectonic convergent zone and does not
elevate this lake's hazard potential to anything that should be unduly
concerning to residents (in my opinion).  Fortunately the press release does
not indicate any alarming shift in the lake's dynamics, and our expedition
clearly concurs with this absence of alarm.

Related to the phrasing of text in the ALI press release, I must disavow any
connection of the press release to GLIMS.  That was not our work, not our
words.  The caption is not especially inaccurate, but I generally have
concern about press releases that make relatively casual reference to
glacial hazards and tends to elevate the hazard due to one situation by
citing another situation, as this press release does.  Perhaps more so, I
would just rather see more consultation with the local experts and agencies,
and not see references to gray literature, which was at the root of the
"2035" fiasco.  I don't think this ALI press release verges toward that, but
I am wanting to institute more order in how we use NASA resources and media
outlets to report these types of things. 

GLIMS will promptly prepare a press release or Eos article or conference
abstract DRAFT to summarize the state of the lake and the hazard situation
as best we understand it.  I will submit the DRAFT to ICIMOD and Tribhuvan
University experts and invite their participation, and that of GAPHAZ, in
production of a clarifying statement to place the ALI press release into
context.  At the same time, I will disavow any press statements made
regarding the GLIMS project at Imja Lake that have not been cleared by GLIMS
(ultimately me), ICIMOD, and Tribhuvan University, since this was a joint
project.   

Bruce: Thanks for the heads-up on the ALI acquisition (Oct 4, 2010).  There
was also a recent (August or September 2010) ASTER image, with partial
clouds, but useful nonetheless.  Our in situ observations indicate recent
calving of the glacier's leading edge (minor calving; nothing overly
dramatic, but still a part of the evolving glacier and lake).    

Greg: Can you obtain the ALI scene, as well as older ASTER scenes, and then
we can extend Sharad's lake development time series?

--Jeff Kargel

> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:05:45 -0600
> From: braup at nsidc.org
> To: jeffreyskargel at hotmail.com
> Subject: Imja lake image
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> See the link to an image of Imja Tsho below.
> 
> Bruce
> 
> -- 
> Bruce H. RAUP
> National Snow and Ice Data Center
> University of Colorado
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> The latest from NASA's Earth Observatory (19 October 2010)
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> 
> Latest Images:
> http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/
> 
> * Susitna Glacier, Alaska
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> * Pyramid Lake, Nevada
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> 
> * Imja Tsho, Nepal
> http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=46405&src=eoa-iotd
> 
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