<html><body><font face="Helvetica">When you charge for data it is still collected, processed and archived, all with costs, but there is far use and hence far less benefit: that money is wasted and the opportunity to learn lost. <br><br>Sent from XFINITY Connect App</font><blockquote><br>------ Original Message ------<br><br><b>From: </b>Benjamin Holt (329B)<br><b>To: </b>Theodore A Scambos, Jeffrey Kargel<br><b>Cc: </b>tnewman@usgs.gov, cryolist@cryolist.org, GLIMS Mailing List, John Dwyer<br><b>Sent: </b>June 13, 2018 at 6:47 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [CRYOLIST] Nature article on Landsat</blockquote><blockquote><html><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I am a long term user of SAR imagery for sea ice and ocean studies. Often SAR data sets have been restricted for use for research by the need to
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">purchase imagery or via data proposals. Both situations end with up limited data usage. This is compared with open access SAR imagery where oceanic- and
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">continental- scale research becomes possible.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I have become a big fan of Landsat8 data and have published both sea ice and coastal oceans papers using the data, including for brightness temperature</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">and chlorophyll-a derivations. I would never had touched this data if I had to pay for it.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Considering paying for Landsat8 now after is very shortsighted. I suggest that a study also consider the number of scientific papers and usages as well as the impact</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">to the economy (I heard in a side conversation that this very significant) since Landsat data became freely available. My guess is that the economic impact would far outweigh any fees.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Yes best line:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">-</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> don't charge for Landsat data! Doing so won't make money; it will just kill Landsat.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">CRYOLIST <cryolist-bounces@lists.cryolist.org> on behalf of scambos <teds@nsidc.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 5:28 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Jeffrey Kargel <jeffreyskargel@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"tnewman@usgs.gov" <tnewman@usgs.gov>, "cryolist@cryolist.org" <cryolist@cryolist.org>, GLIMS Mailing List <glims@nsidc.org>, "Dwyer, John" <dwyer@usgs.gov><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CRYOLIST] Nature article on Landsat</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is the best line. Thanks, Jeff. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 13, 2018, at 5:34 PM, Jeffrey Kargel <<a href="mailto:jeffreyskargel@hotmail.com" >jeffreyskargel@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">don't charge for Landsat data! Doing so won't make money; it will just kill Landsat.</span></p>
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