<div>Dear Adina,</div>
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<div>How do the old and present day glacier outlines compare? I assume these glaciers have lost considerable area in the past few decades and if they are small glaciers the AA profiles would be significantly altered. This problem occurred with So Cascade Glacier so that it was necessary to change AA profiles every few years when running the model. Do you have information on the present and past areas of these two glaciers? Having AA profiles for both old and new outlines would be useful. </div>
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<div>Your help with Chhita Chigri glacier in India will also be appreciated (does Chign mean glacier in Hindi?). Validation of the PTAA model by comparison with field measured mass balances is one of the goals of this project. </div>
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<div>Debris-covered glaciers should also be tested, as you suggest. I have an idea that it may be possible to estimate the amount of debris-cover if we have enough glaciers with varying amounts of cover in the the full set of 200.</div>
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<div>Attached are two files that can be used as guides for developing new files of AA profiles and a file of daily precipitation, maximum and minimum temperatures.for the two glaciers in Nepal and the one in India.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Adina Racoviteanu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:racovite@colorado.edu">racovite@colorado.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>doing an AA profile for these two glaciers is pretty straight forward, using SRTM. The question, however, is: which area do you want to use? present time, new outlines from satellite imagery, or old outlines? let me know.</div>
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<div>I am guessing you are using these glaciers as validation for the PTAA method, since they have field measuremnts?</div>
<div>let me also suggest Chhita Chigri in India, which has 8+ years of mass balance measurements- I can help with that one.</div>
<div>Both AX010 and Rikha Samba are small, clean glaciers- I suggest we also try to test on debris covered glaciers.</div>
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<div>-Adina</div>
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<div class="h5">On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:49 PM, wendell Tangborn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hymet01@gmail.com" target="_blank">hymet01@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div>
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<div class="h5">Does anyone know how we could get the area-altitude distributions for these two glaciers in Nepal?<br><br>
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Subject: NEPAL GLACIER AA PROFILE<br>To: wendell Tangborn <<a href="mailto:hymet01@gmail.com" target="_blank">hymet01@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Birbal Rana <<a href="mailto:birbalrana@hotmail.com" target="_blank">birbalrana@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">We have 2 glaciers in Nepal whose mass balance are being regularly done by Japanese.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">Should we try to get AA profiles of those glaciers?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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